Tucker Carlson was once one of Donald Trump’s biggest fans. From his Fox News days to “The Tucker Carlson Show” that he hosts now to the campaign trail, he had been a loud and high-profile cheerleader. But all of that changed in February, when the president decided to attack Iran, something Carlson vehemently opposed. He now says he regrets supporting Trump and has become a vocal and influential critic of the administration on his podcast.

To understand this break with the president and what it portends for MAGA, I traveled to Maine to sit down with Carlson for The Interview. Here are some of the key moments from our conversation.

Carlson spoke about Trump’s ‘spellbinding’ power.

Carlson believes Trump “had no choice” but to join Israel in attacking Iran and said that Trump was a “slave” to and “hostage” of the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.

Carlson thinks that no one in the Trump administration wanted to go to war but they were either cowards or gave in to Trump’s “spellbinding” power. “I think it probably literally is a spell,” he said. He elaborated: “You spend a day with Trump and you’re in this kind of dreamland. It’s like smoking hash or something.”

On his show, Carlson has referred to some of Trump’s comments about Iran on Easter Sunday as “evil.” Though he softened those statements by saying that “there’s a lot of evil” in everyone and denied speculating that Trump is the Antichrist on his own show (even though he did), he said that he wanted his “audience to see what’s happening now in terms beyond just material.” He continued, “I just want to make the point repeatedly again and again that there are unseen forces that act, that there is a spiritual realm, and we are subject to those forces for good and bad.”